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explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

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as well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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Wow Tim isn't Venus as large and bright

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tonight as I've ever seen it first star

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we've seen tonight's supposed to be good

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luck if you repeat it three times first

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star we've seen tonight first star we've

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seen tonight yep sure is Timmy but is it

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is it supposed to be moving around like

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that right I think it's getting closer

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Wow it's spaceship and I bet there are

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human looking aliens on board let's go

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if they offer us a lift

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well we'll have to be careful unless we

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see the light dr. Strange's our aureus

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Powell valiant four in the hatch right

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Wow Venus if you will well what a

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wonderful night look at all the stars

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and all the spaceships and they're

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coming towards exploring the bazaar and

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our guest well I think our guests

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tonight are familiar with some visitors

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from Venus wouldn't you say Tim oh I

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certainly hope so

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if not then we're not gonna have a very

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good show tonight but I think we are

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gonna have an excellent show well I am

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looking forward to this because we're

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going to be talking about two of my most

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favorite people dr. Frank strangers and

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Howard manager now it doesn't

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necessarily mean for you people in the

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audience who are not of like mind and I

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doesn't necessarily believe it means

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that I believe everything that they've

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said but I am just very prone to

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fantasize about the early contact D days

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of of the UFO movement and the space

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brothers and all the events that went

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with it the trips into outer space

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whether they took place for real or for

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not today we have a lot of abductions

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where people are being scarred for for

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life I mean it would seem to him we've

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done this the cotton economy of both the

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yin and yang and good and bad and well I

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tonight we're going to Center our

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activities on the good side of ufology

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and the alter terrestrials if we were

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doing a program of on Mars perhaps we

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would do a little bit of the the

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negative sign but tonight it's all about

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Venus and our friends from the North

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always fascinated B when it came to the

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the whole flying saucers and contactees

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and and and space brothers you know we

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that they talked to Martians but it

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seems that Venus and Venetians have

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always played such a predominant role

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you know in in all of this I mean and

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even today even today there are people

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who say that they have contacts with

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people from Venus I mean even though

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scientists you know say that Venus is a

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uninhabitable planet it's hostile you

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know it's that which way it's way too

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not like city that's like five below

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zero that's right that's right you could

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use some of that high pressure warmth in

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there right now getting you on the

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surface of Venus why don't you tell us

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who we're going to be speaking with this

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evening oh well be my pleasure well we

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have some absolutely fantastic guests

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tonight Tim first of all we have dr.

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Raymond Keller now Raymond has been

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experience when he was younger which

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we'll have to have him talk about now he

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was a reporter for the Bedford time

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Ohio and a research association with

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Earl J Neff the founder and director of

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the Cleveland you father

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to project cups cups that's right that's

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right oh I used to tip I used to get on

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my ham radio or long-distance radio and

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tune in I think it was Tuesday night but

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I might be wrong the Aral Neffs that

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ufology round table at a Cleveland oh I

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I'm an old that fan of Earl Neff I can't

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say I knew him well but he did read a

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postcard that I that I sent him when I

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was running the interplanetary News

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Service and he in fact it's archived

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somewhere on the on the internet from

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Tim Buckley I asked him a smartass

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question anyway and did he give you a

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smartass answer well he gave me a very

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good answer I can't remember what it was

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anyway there you go oh and dr. Keller or

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aka cosmic ray has conducted numerous

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excursions to UFO hot spots throughout

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the planet and has communicated directly

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with extraterrestrials

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on many occasions his books include

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Venus rising a concise history of the

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second planet the final countdown rocket

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to Venus and his most recent the cosmic

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rays excellent

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Venus adventure now also with us tonight

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is our good friend Craig camp of sorry

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crear we stumble over these names Kappa

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ba so am I saying that right these guys

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Mike yes as you well know I have a

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horrible time stumbling over a certain

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names you're you're too kind now Craig I

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don't know if he has been on exploring

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the bizarre bush before but he has been

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on other shows that that we have hosted

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him so part of my memory you know

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doesn't go back more than just a few

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weeks so but you've been spending too

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much time on Venus that's yeah that's

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Craig has been in involved in filmmaking

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fresh out of high school where he found

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himself working behind the scenes on

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Frank Herbert's dune the movie by David

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Lynch which I know a lot of people pan

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that but I always find that movie just

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extremely fascinating now Craig has

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directed wrote and produced the short

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film stranger at the Pentagon which was

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adopted from the popular UFO book

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authored by the late doctor Frankie

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Strange's after production the short

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film collected eckel AIDS in September

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2014 it won best science fiction award

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of the world fest Houston International

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Film Festival for the best science

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fiction a short film now he's also the

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author of the Autobot autobiography of

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an extraterrestrial saga and which is

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the third and final installment of the

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trilogy Craig's fourth book will be

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entitled the howdy Parsis Craig the the

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Huey whether you're the hero revolution

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if so it's continuing in the series okay

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and his first book of course is the

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autobiography of an extraterrestrial

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Sega I am thigh Ron and crane Ron that's

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a new record for me we also have online

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with us tonight and we'll we'll bring

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her into the conversation just a while

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Julie Strange's who is the the white

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wife of the late dr. Frank strangers so

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everyone thank you very much for being

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with us tonight on exploring the bizarre

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welcome we're gonna bring this down to

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earth let us say alright hey um

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okay cosmic-ray that's the name you go

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by yes okay how did you well let's let's

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start at the beginning you've apparently

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been in the field you're a a an old

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timer going back to 1967

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UFO a project group yes Cleveland

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ufology project headed up at that time

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by mr. Earl J NAF he was one of the

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former untouchables a sketch artist for

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Eliot Ness and he worked as an artist

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for the Standard Oil Company at the time

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but he was closely associated with coral

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and Jim Lorenson and the aerial

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phenomena research organization out in

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Tucson Arizona as well as major Donald

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national investigations Committee on

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aerial phenomena which which pre-move on

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was the largest UFO group in the country

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remember correctly was not a devoted fan

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of the contactees wasn't he pretty anti

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of the other fellows that you later as

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credibility to originally of the

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Cleveland mythology project is of course

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the oldest group in the United States

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with the with a UFO oh well we've had

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their Curt we've had their current

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director run I mean we were still you

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know in touch with the organization oh

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skeptical about things but as time moved

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on they began to realize hey the

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universe is a pretty big place and

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there's room for all kinds of phenomena

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out there well what what catch you did

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you have a personal assigning or what

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UFOs are concerned yeah yes on the guest

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came on a 21st of June of 1967 I was

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coming back from

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camp out with the Boy Scouts and a

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friend and I happen to be walking under

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a railroad trestle and about some

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thousand feet overhead was a large

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disc-shaped object which looked like the

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traditional flying saucer and became

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very excited and infatuated with the

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whole subject of UFOs and in fact the

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Enquirer even did an article about it

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and if you if you google my name Raymond

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that article what tell us a little bit

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about it well it was a traditional

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saucer shaped object and I'm holding up

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a picture of it in the in the Inquirer

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journalists to start writing columns in

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our local newspapers about it the Maple

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register so we had a weekly column about

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flying saucers and then from Earl Neff

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contacted us and we became involved with

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the Cleveland ufology project and from

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there he gave us $30 to start the flying

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saucer report with which we started on a

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mimeograph press and good old good old

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good old mimeograph I know it well I I

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had a cassette in there oh yeah we had

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to you know took the stylus and threw

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flying saucers understand oh yeah it was

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great all the sightings and everything

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and we began to trade publications first

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my first publisher and and then later

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Willowdale Ontario Canada I spoke to him

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I tried I tried to get him on the show

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but he said no he you know he wasn't up

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to to doing it but he was right on the

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ball I talked with him for about 10

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minutes just recently so I'm trying to

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get him to to reprint some of the early

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issues of saucer space in science which

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actually was the first and maybe the

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only magazine I ever sent two dollars

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for six issues I think it was in those

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days but anyway could continue his

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fascinating story oh yes and other

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groups around the world and after the

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National Inquirer article there were

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articles about us in our flying saucer

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report in in like Sunday school

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messengers and all across the country

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all across the world and UFO research

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Queensland contacted us and groups in

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Europe and pretty soon we had a pretty

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large subscription base and started to

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amass massive amount of information

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about the elusive flying saucers but dr.

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Keller I mean how did you first get

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fascinated on the subject of Venus and

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the contactees I mean what what pulled

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you into that direction

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well my I lived out in Los Angeles for a

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while with my aunt and my grandma and

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they gave me a book on the solar system

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and the planets of the solar system and

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I began to wonder hey you know is there

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life out there you know what kind of

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life could be could be out there and

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then when I perchance upon a copy of

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George Adamski flying saucers of landed

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British books enter 1953 you know I

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couldn't put it down and then I read

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Howard managers from outer space

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you and and then the UFO international

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from Gabriel green out in Yucca Valley

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and you know and I said there's really

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something to this there's this is very

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interesting well you know we we publi

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reprint some of those earlier books and

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we've done a couple of books by Dana

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Howard

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she wrote a up or a Rainbow Hill and she

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had of course she used to speak at

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George Van Tassel's giant Rock Airport

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and she claimed to have contacted or

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actually seen this a very beautiful very

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tall Venusian a woman who materialized

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in front of her in Joshua Tree now a lot

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of this activity was down around the

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Joshua Tree and south of I guess Los

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Angeles right yes that's right in about

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17 miles I'd say to the north east of of

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yucca valley out at landers field the

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giant rock airport were they helped a

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big convention of every year and what's

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interesting about mrs. Dana is that she

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was in it in an androgynous relationship

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because she had an earth family and

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children but she also had a husband and

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another family on on Venus so I guess

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he's like a pioneering female in that

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regard well some of these stories

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certainly were were fascinating but how

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about the the the credibility of the I

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mean what do you see as evidence that

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these experiences actually took place I

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mean what would you you say to somebody

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who was skeptical and say all you know

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there there isn't life on Venus no you

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can't go into a spaceship and travel to

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or to other planets and that why would

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aliens look you know remotely a human

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and appearance well all wife in the

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that we know it you know it doesn't have

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to exist as we know it now we know that

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here on earth there are extremophiles

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they live at the two miles depth of the

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Mariana Trench and

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under tremendous pressures and

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temperatures exceeding seven hundred

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eight hundred degrees in volcanic vents

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so you know who's to say that that life

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doesn't exist everywhere in fact

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Hellena Blavatsky the founder of

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co-founder of the Theosophical society

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she said that the whole immensity of

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space was filled with intelligences that

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living life from the Sun was an

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intelligence that like you see in the

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cartouche is and murals in Egypt

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Austin otten and an illumination from

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from star people so I mean this is

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nothing new under this phone now by the

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time you got into all of this dr. Keller

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I mean the the the contactee movement

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you know the space brothers had had had

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kind of waned I mean you you got into it

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in the late 60s and already at that

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point we were starting to see people

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seen reporting abductions and things

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like that and not as many of the the

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space brothers so what was it that I

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mean did you have any experiences of

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your own that convinced you that that

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yeah this is you know this is true this

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is this is really happening oh yes I did

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I was a member of amalgamated Flying

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Saucer Clubs of America presided over by

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Gabriel greens will ran for president

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twice I got his campaign button right on

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64 and gaben 64 yeah

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Oh mr. UFO I have to tell you when I was

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growing up I had a subscription to

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flying saucers magazine from oh yeah

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Raymond Palmer I look forward to every

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issue of that because there was a column

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in there I think on the trail of the

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flying saucers yeah with you right away

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oh yes oh absolutely in fact I collected

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all those columns or they're all the

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ones that I could find along with the I

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think eight or ten articles that I had

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done for the UFO report which was the

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prestigious magazine at the at the time

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and probably still is of course they've

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been out of business for a long time and

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reprinted in a book called

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Tim Buckley strange saga which is

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available for a very minimal price on

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Amazon I kept the price low just because

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I wanted to people to read all the

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material that kind of got me you know

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started and began my career in in

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publishing and writing and I certainly

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owe a great thanks to both the great

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Barker and the Ray Palmer without them I

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wouldn't be sitting here at today

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interviewing you guys and continuing to

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publish her books at the ripe age of

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seventy yeah I have to thank you because

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you you helped keep the contactee

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phenomena alive through through these

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these times and as we all know Johnny

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keel has done so much research on

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contactees and I just wrote an

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interesting article about Johnny keel

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evolution of a ufologist and he informed

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us from his archives of thousands

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literally thousands of cases of silent

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silent contact these you're right well

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really yeah we have a break coming up

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here but we'll be right back and so

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everybody stay glued to your

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radio and let's bring in that single

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from Venus now back to exploring the

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Bazaar with two of the most electrifying

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researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

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Timothy beckoning Anton Swift's and

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welcome back to exploring the bazaar I'm

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Tim Schwarz and Tim why don't we bring

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Craig into the conversation now because

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I know that he has somebody special that

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we'd all like to talk with but but but

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Craig once you just quickly tell us so I

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mean what got you interested in dr.

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Frank strangers and his contact with the

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man from Venus well I had originally

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read the book in the 80s and I was

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really quite fascinated with it and I

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was very drawn to the actual photographs

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of valiant Thor commander dawn and Jill

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in there it just it just resonated with

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me and and then we just sort of

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flash-forward to about the beginning of

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2002 and my casting partner at the time

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wanted me to meet this older couple who

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were friends of hers they lived in

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Arizona and they saw flying saucers all

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the time and she knew my interest in it

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so anyway I met with them their names

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were gearing and sherry and they brought

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up dr. Frank's name and said do you want

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to meet him and I said well of course

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I'd love to meet him so I literally was

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sitting with him the very next week

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having lunch and I just thought it was

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going to be a nice little sand lunch me

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being the fan

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and we ended up becoming friends and

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long story short there was a man who had

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called dr. Frank and said he wanted to

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make the book into a movie and so he

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wanted to know if I since I've been in

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the film business my whole life if I

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would accompany him and his wife Julie

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to the meeting you know to check the guy

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out and anyway it didn't pan out and one

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thing led to another and I started

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sitting with dr. Frank and also with

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Julie and hearing all of his stories

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from the first time he met a valiant

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Thor in December of 1959 and learning

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about the crew and the vice commanders

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and all of that which I just found

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fascinating so over the course of a few

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years put together feature-length

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scripts and worked on that and you know

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and then we lost dr. Frank in November

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of 2008 and sort of just shelved it and

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I worked on a couple of movies one with

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sky captain in the world of tomorrow and

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yeah in the old days they used to go in

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pitch scripts nowadays you make a short

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film and you use that for your investors

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but like sky cancer in the world of

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tomorrow was financed privately by doing

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that and also the Saw movies were

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financed privately by doing that by

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making a short film by the way you can

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see both those short films on YouTube

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you know there probably is some

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listeners who don't know the original a

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story of Val Thor and the stranger to

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Pentagon now I knew Frank fairly well we

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were friends

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in fact he always

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to a Phoenix or San Diego to host our

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various UFO conferences where we had a

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variety of speakers I mean we never just

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the you know set our sights on

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contactees or abductees we had a variety

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of of people we we let it you know let

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all the information be presented and let

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the public decide but Frank had a very

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unique story in the annals of UFO

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research I believe this would have been

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in the 1950s was it not when he had his

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original meeting with the valiant Thor

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it was December 1959 59 okay

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he was apparently giving a seminar or

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was preaching delivering a service in

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Washington DC and after the yeah okay

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and after the program a woman came up to

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him and asked him if he would not like

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to meet someone from another planet

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correct well well it you kind of back it

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up a little bit and it gets a little bit

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more info okay well and this ties in to

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Howard manager as well finish the

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original list story the contact there

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well the Nancy Warren is what he called

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her in the book he did say that he

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changed her name came up to him and he

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had a photograph of valiant Thor up on

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his board along with other things that

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he talked about because one of his

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topics was UFOs and the Bible and she

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came up to him and pointed to the

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picture and she said she said he wants

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to meet with you and anyway they went

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into a back room talked the woman picked

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him up at his hotel the next morning

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about 8:00 a.m. brought him to the

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Pentagon

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they had to go through two stations and

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she said just do what I do and you know

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she opened her coat and she had a badge

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and he opened his coat and you know with

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their trans imagery going on or whatever

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but he made it through brought him to a

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unmarked door where dr. Frank walked in

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and met him for the first time and they

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said you know hello Frank

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and and introduced himself and they sat

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and talked for awhile so and I think

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00:30:37,610 --> 00:30:34,380
towards the end of that conversation he

543
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:37,620
actually lived him hold and examine his

544
00:30:44,150 --> 00:30:41,220
space suit and I think it weighed

545
00:30:46,550 --> 00:30:44,160
something like three pounds or something

546
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:46,560
like that I can't remember if it could

547
00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:48,450
because it couldn't be cut it couldn't

548
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:52,460
be burned and also I had no fingerprints

549
00:31:00,410 --> 00:30:55,230
he had no fingerprints and he also had

550
00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:00,420
no palm prints as well and the over the

551
00:31:07,670 --> 00:31:04,020
years I have met a handful of people who

552
00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:07,680
have met him and they all say the same

553
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:09,990
thing they say when he looks at you he

554
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,690
looks right through you and you know

555
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:14,880
that he knows everything about your soul

556
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:21,390
in that moment two ladies who met him

557
00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:25,980
when they were in their teens back back

558
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:29,640
in the 60s I believes I'm the one might

559
00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:31,850
have been in the 50s and one in the 60s

560
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:34,470
they both don't know each other but they

561
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:38,100
both said separately to me that when

562
00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:40,050
they were around him they felt that

563
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,780
which I just described they knew that he

564
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,120
had a aura of peace but there was a

565
00:31:53,030 --> 00:31:47,340
fragrance about him that they couldn't

566
00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:53,040
describe that was unbelievably calming

567
00:32:02,410 --> 00:31:57,060
and peaceful and you knew you know you

568
00:32:06,110 --> 00:32:02,420
knew and you felt like being angelic

569
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:06,120
right so it's very clear when you're

570
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,310
around somebody like that look it we go

571
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,120
somewhere we see somebody who

572
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:14,480
doesn't have so many scruples or has

573
00:32:18,970 --> 00:32:16,730
done bad things we get a vibe we feel

574
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:18,980
that it would be the same thing if we

575
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,200
were came face to face with a creative

576
00:32:28,260 --> 00:32:24,559
being which is what valiant Thor is well

577
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,270
we take this opportunity to bring in

578
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:30,080
Julie strangers

579
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:36,170
Julie with pop and Julie say hi yes I'm

580
00:32:49,690 --> 00:32:45,430
Julie did you ever meet a valiant Thor

581
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:49,700
or how how did you how did Frank first

582
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:52,580
approach you or bring up the the subject

583
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:54,710
of having met a Venusian I mean did you

584
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:56,809
attend one of his lectures or how did

585
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:01,840
the two of you actually meet he was um

586
00:33:09,130 --> 00:33:05,170
making a film up in Santa Ynez

587
00:33:11,410 --> 00:33:09,140
California and they're solving people

588
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:11,420
might have heard of the town of solving

589
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,640
and at the airport they were doing that

590
00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:19,120
segment there and that's when I met him

591
00:33:25,030 --> 00:33:22,340
and I started driving down to his

592
00:33:29,410 --> 00:33:25,040
meetings that he held once a month in

593
00:33:31,150 --> 00:33:29,420
Van Nuys and I had my whole life

594
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:31,160
believed that there was life on other

595
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:33,950
planets as far back as I could remember

596
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:39,050
and I believe that he even came to the

597
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:43,130
city where I grew up and and spoke you

598
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:45,290
have to gave a lecture there one time

599
00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:49,670
but I was quite small so I didn't attend

600
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:52,700
but I remember having there was a

601
00:34:02,049 --> 00:33:58,130
newspaper article about it so kind of

602
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:02,059
you know things happen and more things

603
00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:04,670
happen later on you just never know but

604
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:08,120
that's when I first met him and and what

605
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,250
what did what did what did you think

606
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:13,040
though of his supposedly meeting someone

607
00:34:17,169 --> 00:34:14,480
from outer space I mean it's one thing

608
00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:17,179
to be interested in flying saucers and

609
00:34:23,330 --> 00:34:19,580
it's another thing to say hey one of my

610
00:34:26,370 --> 00:34:23,340
best friends is from another planet

611
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:26,380
well I you know there was no reason for

612
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:28,330
me not to believe him and everything

613
00:34:34,410 --> 00:34:32,290
that he said resonated like Craig was

614
00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:34,420
mentioning you know it just resonates

615
00:34:39,900 --> 00:34:36,190
within you that it's the truth

616
00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:39,910
and the things that he asked him when he

617
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:43,300
first met him you know because you knew

618
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:45,490
him for umpteen years Tim and you were

619
00:34:50,540 --> 00:34:46,780
very close to him

620
00:34:56,490 --> 00:34:50,550
and so you know that he was also a

621
00:35:00,690 --> 00:34:56,500
minister yo yes for it no no okay and

622
00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:00,700
also a immigration lawyer correct or

623
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:04,600
judgment mhm yeah he worked a lot more

624
00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:06,160
education he worked with a couple of

625
00:35:13,770 --> 00:35:10,350
attorneys in Los Angeles to help people

626
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:13,780
get into this country legally you know

627
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:16,930
and he could be he wouldn't use it a lot

628
00:35:19,890 --> 00:35:19,240
of work it would be useful today that's

629
00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:19,900
for sure

630
00:35:27,470 --> 00:35:24,340
yes and he was a marshal as well yeah he

631
00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:27,480
was a California marshal with the

632
00:35:36,030 --> 00:35:31,120
California Marshals Association and into

633
00:35:39,810 --> 00:35:36,040
public relations area so because he had

634
00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:39,820
a badge you know he would like if there

635
00:35:43,770 --> 00:35:41,740
was a traffic accident or something she

636
00:35:45,930 --> 00:35:43,780
would get his badge on and he'd go out

637
00:35:47,790 --> 00:35:45,940
and and start directing traffic around

638
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:47,800
it you know to make sure that people

639
00:35:52,050 --> 00:35:50,350
didn't get into another accident because

640
00:35:54,420 --> 00:35:52,060
sometimes you know that lanes will be

641
00:35:56,670 --> 00:35:54,430
blocked or there would be glass and

642
00:36:00,090 --> 00:35:56,680
things in the street so he died them

643
00:36:02,310 --> 00:36:00,100
around it and he did a lot of what I

644
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:02,320
would call community service type things

645
00:36:11,310 --> 00:36:05,230
for the police department he was very

646
00:36:15,210 --> 00:36:11,320
supportive of our police all over and so

647
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:15,220
I had no reason not to question him

648
00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:18,750
because it just made perfect sense to me

649
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:23,560
so it was interesting to read killed the

650
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,010
original book that was written there was

651
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:29,200
one written before stranger at the

652
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:33,520
Pentagon a couple of them so well my

653
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:36,310
friend sorry yonder on earth

654
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:38,710
mmm-hmm that was one of them and then

655
00:36:43,580 --> 00:36:41,680
salsa Rama I think was his first one you

656
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:43,590
know we still have a copy of my friend

657
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:45,730
copies of my friend from beyond Earth

658
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:48,810
and every once in a while somebody will

659
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,970
you know what are the something to do

660
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:53,920
with the contact evil we'll put it in

661
00:37:00,690 --> 00:36:58,480
the package I mean talk about a

662
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:00,700
collector's item I mean that one yeah

663
00:37:08,130 --> 00:37:04,960
that wasn't really a predates but Craig

664
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:08,140
why don't you it tell ask you Julie

665
00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:09,730
maybe a few requesters because you

666
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:17,100
well yes I met her you know at the same

667
00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:21,040
time with dr. Frank so we've gone down

668
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:25,060
this long journey for you know for a

669
00:37:29,610 --> 00:37:27,310
very long time I think you know the

670
00:37:34,020 --> 00:37:29,620
thing that was fascinating for me was

671
00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:34,030
learning about the vice commanders and

672
00:37:40,650 --> 00:37:36,190
things like that and dr. Frank put on

673
00:37:44,540 --> 00:37:40,660
twice a year an inner circle meeting in

674
00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:44,550
Las Vegas where lots of people came and

675
00:37:54,090 --> 00:37:48,280
you know dr. Frank would give wonderful

676
00:37:57,330 --> 00:37:54,100
talks and Julie would as well and so all

677
00:38:02,330 --> 00:37:57,340
of that was very exciting but I think

678
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:02,340
the thing that I loved most was because

679
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:05,410
dr. Frank wasn't here physically when we

680
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,970
had the premiere of the short film was

681
00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:12,880
seeing Julie's face after she saw it for

682
00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:17,140
the first time oh and that just moved me

683
00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:19,180
so much why don't you talk a little bit

684
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:23,320
about you know I okay I just want to I

685
00:38:27,330 --> 00:38:26,110
just want to say here we have Roberts

686
00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:27,340
been waiting on the phone with a

687
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:29,560
question for quite a few minutes so

688
00:38:39,020 --> 00:38:33,550
maybe before we Julie let's hear what

689
00:38:42,590 --> 00:38:39,030
the Rob has to say sure Rob oh you there

690
00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:42,600
yeah hey Craig hi Julie its Rob Potter

691
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:48,430
hey good I was happy to hear you guys

692
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:50,170
are on tonight sharing the good news

693
00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:55,270
is a dr. Frank and everything and I got

694
00:39:03,840 --> 00:38:57,460
a Alice Riemann Keller gonna be on two

695
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:03,850
or the night without here oh good yeah

696
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:05,920
I've just recently interviewed Raymond

697
00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:08,770
and you know with Craig and Julie and

698
00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:11,260
Raymond on the show here you have a lot

699
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:14,200
of good information to to hear the truth

700
00:39:19,650 --> 00:39:16,930
about the mission of valiant Thor and

701
00:39:24,090 --> 00:39:19,660
I've been reading a Raymond's book he's

702
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:24,100
come like a whirlwind out of nowhere and

703
00:39:29,970 --> 00:39:25,690
he's got three other books I'm going to

704
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:29,980
get it's very wonderful stuff and I'm

705
00:39:33,810 --> 00:39:32,050
actually have been thinking of getting

706
00:39:35,550 --> 00:39:33,820
ahold of Craig I'm doing another

707
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:35,560
conference in Mount Shasta the summer

708
00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:37,660
I'm calling it from Venus with love and

709
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:43,660
we got Frank chilly and Craig oh yeah

710
00:39:47,580 --> 00:39:46,060
maybe we can get a stranger at the

711
00:39:49,260 --> 00:39:47,590
Pentagon screening we'll talk to you

712
00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:49,270
afterwards but I just want to lend my

713
00:39:55,230 --> 00:39:53,260
support to you all here with the good

714
00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:55,240
news you're sharing in the mission of

715
00:40:00,570 --> 00:39:57,910
love and the the truth of dr. Frank

716
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:00,580
strangers contacts and stuff so I'll let

717
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:03,730
you go and thank you so much for having

718
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:07,330
our Janet oh well you know we we have a

719
00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:10,560
we have a variety of guests from all

720
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:14,140
avenues of thought and and an opinion is

721
00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:18,130
for UFOs and the strange universe the

722
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:20,440
bizarre universe that we that we live in

723
00:40:27,930 --> 00:40:24,130
and we continue to to probe as I've done

724
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:27,940
for the last hundred fifty seven years

725
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:35,710
now yeah we talked some years ago I very

726
00:40:40,590 --> 00:40:38,800
close yes remember yes of course yes of

727
00:40:42,690 --> 00:40:40,600
course well there you gotta side with

728
00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:42,700
the character Herrick in that book but

729
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:44,470
you guys go ahead thank you so much all

730
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:46,690
right thank you thank you so much all

731
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:52,930
right all right now we're Julie what

732
00:41:00,060 --> 00:40:55,650
were what were we getting into here now

733
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:00,070
it was it was just exciting because when

734
00:41:04,210 --> 00:41:01,330
we

735
00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:04,220
you know I had never planned on showing

736
00:41:07,930 --> 00:41:06,200
stranger at the Pentagon to anybody the

737
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,940
short sale because it was just going to

738
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:09,680
be used for investors for the feature

739
00:41:15,550 --> 00:41:13,070
film and the Burbank Film Festival found

740
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:15,560
out about it made it a fish election

741
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:19,910
right away and in the history of the

742
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:22,610
Film Festival they had never had any

743
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:25,520
movie short or feature sellout and

744
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:28,760
strangers sold out right away all 275

745
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:33,370
seats and anyway we had a big

746
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:37,910
after-party and there was lots of press

747
00:41:45,940 --> 00:41:40,610
that came that I didn't even know about

748
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:45,950
and and when our leads who played valium

749
00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:48,560
Florida wife Eileen Davidson had just

750
00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:51,140
become a Beverly Hills housewife so we

751
00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:53,000
were on the Beverly Hills housewives as

752
00:42:00,280 --> 00:41:57,350
well and all the housewives were there

753
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:00,290
and they were filming it so the episode

754
00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:02,690
actually was on and on a Beverly Hills

755
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:06,230
housewife which brought the story into

756
00:42:12,010 --> 00:42:08,210
people's homes that normally would never

757
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:12,020
have heard of it absolutely which which

758
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:15,170
is fascinating and interesting but but

759
00:42:23,110 --> 00:42:19,490
for me to see this long journey and you

760
00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:23,120
know my reward is to see Julie and dr.

761
00:42:30,130 --> 00:42:27,260
Frank's face but to see her beaming and

762
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:30,140
how excited she was afterwards and you

763
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:32,090
know she was on the red carpet and

764
00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:34,310
everything you know would you remember

765
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:37,070
what you I remember it was hard for you

766
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:41,450
even to talk afterwards on Julie yes and

767
00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:45,500
my sons were also with me and she didn't

768
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:49,430
tell me what the ending of the short

769
00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:51,890
film was going to be it was part of an

770
00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:53,840
interview one of the interviews that

771
00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:57,260
Frank had done and I wasn't expecting

772
00:43:04,360 --> 00:42:59,450
that and neither were my sons and my

773
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:04,370
sons were very very moved by that she

774
00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:07,490
basically raised them because we were

775
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:09,800
together when they were about five years

776
00:43:17,460 --> 00:43:14,350
old and so they were

777
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:17,470
very close to him and you know to see

778
00:43:22,590 --> 00:43:20,860
him like that you know on that interview

779
00:43:25,950 --> 00:43:22,600
was was very moving

780
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:25,960
not just Jenny but fall so for them what

781
00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:27,880
we you know Julie and I have right in

782
00:43:33,450 --> 00:43:30,940
great quite great Julie I have to ask

783
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:33,460
the hundred thousand dollar question did

784
00:43:40,770 --> 00:43:36,550
you ever meet valiant Thor or did he

785
00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:40,780
ever come into your house well the Frank

786
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:45,820
was there well I will tell you one thing

787
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:49,930
I generally don't speak publicly about

788
00:43:56,700 --> 00:43:54,010
my own personal experiences but has she

789
00:43:59,250 --> 00:43:56,710
known Frank went to a lot of places to

790
00:44:03,330 --> 00:43:59,260
give lectures and he used to go to

791
00:44:04,050 --> 00:44:03,340
Apache Junction Arizona when the

792
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:04,060
snowbirds

793
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:08,250
would come there and they had a speaking

794
00:44:13,980 --> 00:44:11,680
you know program at that time he went

795
00:44:18,510 --> 00:44:13,990
off there a couple of times and I think

796
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:18,520
used to sell his books and I looked up

797
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:24,910
and bow was his audience the kids saw

798
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:28,480
him I saw him so he was there and he

799
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:30,550
just fit right in with the people he was

800
00:44:37,950 --> 00:44:33,130
sitting on the bleachers but the rest of

801
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:37,960
the people who were there dancing had he

802
00:44:48,210 --> 00:44:42,160
aged any since the time of his being at

803
00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:48,220
Howard managers conference you know they

804
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:51,340
don't age they don't age in a way I wish

805
00:45:05,760 --> 00:44:59,050
I I wish I was from I wish I didn't but

806
00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:05,770
you but you but but you recognized him

807
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:07,720
right out you could tell that that was a

808
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,970
valiant Thor oh absolutely absolutely

809
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:15,040
he was just sitting there with all the

810
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:16,810
people and none of the people knew who

811
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:18,300
he was

812
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:22,810
yeah very friendly you know and it's

813
00:45:30,350 --> 00:45:27,570
right with wherever here yeah

814
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:30,360
well when we come back from our when we

815
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:32,220
come back from our break in a few

816
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:35,520
minutes I want to get into the the story

817
00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:40,110
of Howard manager now I knew I knew

818
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:43,350
Howard he was the East Coast I guess

819
00:45:50,090 --> 00:45:46,920
equivalent of George Adamski he lived

820
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:50,100
out there in High Bridge New Jersey he

821
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:51,990
was a frequent guest on a Long John

822
00:45:59,060 --> 00:45:55,890
Neville show and he and his wife Connie

823
00:46:00,920 --> 00:45:59,070
were quite personable individuals they I

824
00:46:04,070 --> 00:46:00,930
remember one time we were giving a

825
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:04,080
conference in San Diego and they drove

826
00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:08,090
all the way out there with one of his

827
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:10,830
model of spaceships that he had

828
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,410
constructed the hooked up on the back of

829
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:16,260
the the car and a little mini trailer

830
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:19,920
and spoke and we'd never paid any huge

831
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:23,220
fees because we never charged the $300

832
00:46:27,260 --> 00:46:25,170
for for her people to get into our

833
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:27,270
conferences we'd have 40 and 50 speakers

834
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:30,960
and charge a minimal amount of money but

835
00:46:37,850 --> 00:46:35,760
a Howard of course had a UFO conference

836
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:37,860
that was very well attended in

837
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:40,020
Highbridge New Jersey and at this

838
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:40,890
conference

839
00:46:49,220 --> 00:46:44,730
supposedly photographs of valiant Thor

840
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:49,230
were were were taken and and they're

841
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:50,850
impressive I mean first of all I knew

842
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:53,880
the photographer August C Roberts he was

843
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:56,670
not a hardcore a believer but he did

844
00:47:01,100 --> 00:46:58,530
have an interest in UFOs because he had

845
00:47:05,810 --> 00:47:01,110
sighted and photographed them on a

846
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:05,820
couple of occasions anyway I do hear the

847
00:47:10,820 --> 00:47:07,740
thunder and lightning in the background

848
00:47:12,830 --> 00:47:10,830
and so we'll be back after a brief brief

849
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:12,840
break and please stay tuned because

850
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:16,410
we've got another hour of fascinating

851
00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:28,700
[Music]

852
00:47:35,660 --> 00:47:33,000
explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

853
00:47:38,940 --> 00:47:35,670
ride into the world of the paranormal

854
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:38,950
strap yourself in as we traverse the

855
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:43,260
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

856
00:47:48,750 --> 00:47:46,380
ghosts Lost Worlds

857
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:48,760
cryptozoology as well as other

858
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:52,630
dimensions it's time to take back the

859
00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:57,760
night now your electrifying hosts of

860
00:48:13,579 --> 00:48:00,910
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

861
00:48:16,650 --> 00:48:13,589
team sports Venus Venus if you will

862
00:48:19,859 --> 00:48:16,660
please send me a little girl for me to

863
00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:19,869
thrill oh yeah girl who wants my kisses

864
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:21,700
and my arms

865
00:48:37,319 --> 00:48:26,770
a girl with all the charms of you Venus

866
00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:37,329
maybe who are we talking about here who

867
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:39,430
was Frankie Avalon talking about to you

868
00:48:47,940 --> 00:48:42,910
do you think cosmic ray he was

869
00:48:51,779 --> 00:48:47,950
petitioning the roman goddess of beauty

870
00:48:56,130 --> 00:48:51,789
and love to ascend to answer his prayer

871
00:48:58,859 --> 00:48:56,140
and and send him a beloved and and who

872
00:49:02,250 --> 00:48:58,869
might have appeared if it were a UFO

873
00:49:05,250 --> 00:49:02,260
tale hmm you never know who it might be

874
00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:05,260
it could have been maybe Dolores Barrios

875
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:07,960
there or arranged so well I'm thinking

876
00:49:16,799 --> 00:49:10,960
I'm thinking or arraigns because she was

877
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:16,809
a rather attractive young woman now what

878
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:18,910
was or most people would think of or

879
00:49:25,620 --> 00:49:21,130
arraigns who of course was the primary

880
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:25,630
contact up with the Truman bathroom was

881
00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:28,150
from a an unknown planet known as a

882
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:31,660
Clarion but I understand that she really

883
00:49:35,309 --> 00:49:33,970
was from Venus is that true why wouldn't

884
00:49:40,620 --> 00:49:35,319
you tell us a little bit about aura

885
00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:40,630
reigns yes aura reigns was from was from

886
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:42,310
the planet Venus and

887
00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:45,160
she was a grandmother many times over

888
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:48,760
she looked like she was in her though

889
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:51,550
she looked like she was in her her young

890
00:49:58,890 --> 00:49:55,510
20s and she was the commander of a space

891
00:50:01,110 --> 00:49:58,900
a spacecraft of an ocean spacecraft

892
00:50:04,050 --> 00:50:01,120
operating from the far side of the moon

893
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:04,060
and she was in the desert in California

894
00:50:11,370 --> 00:50:09,220
and Nevada monitoring nuclear blast well

895
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:11,380
that sounds like fun activity now how

896
00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:14,230
was it now let me see if I can remember

897
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:17,590
the story was not the Truman bathroom

898
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:20,470
working as an engineer somewhere out in

899
00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:23,470
their white sands yes he was working out

900
00:50:29,450 --> 00:50:26,020
in Nevada on Mormon Mesa with the road

901
00:50:32,190 --> 00:50:29,460
he was a foreman of a road crew and

902
00:50:33,060 --> 00:50:32,200
that's where he yes that's where he met

903
00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:33,070
her

904
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:38,350
he made 11 visits into space and the

905
00:50:44,550 --> 00:50:41,110
first encounter was at the Mormon Mesa

906
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,560
most of them were were at the Mesa yeah

907
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:46,480
well I think wasn't it didn't he take a

908
00:50:53,100 --> 00:50:49,570
adela doze off in his car or something I

909
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:53,110
think and when he he woke up or rains in

910
00:50:59,610 --> 00:50:55,570
a couple of the other visitors were

911
00:51:04,020 --> 00:50:59,620
peering in at him yes and he was quite

912
00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:04,030
worried when at first because she was

913
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:07,270
wearing a military type outfit a beret

914
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:11,410
and the and the crew her crew looked a

915
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:13,690
see attic and that he thought maybe she

916
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:17,230
might be Chinese communist or Russian or

917
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:20,110
maybe heavens have some heaven forbid

918
00:51:28,590 --> 00:51:23,590
yes no it's not revolutionary yeah our

919
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,600
our our favorite artists here Carolyn

920
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:30,400
Rodriguez who does a lot of art book

921
00:51:35,580 --> 00:51:33,190
covers and all she did a a drawing of

922
00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:35,590
her or rains complete with beret and all

923
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:38,140
and that has appeared on more Facebook

924
00:51:43,290 --> 00:51:40,810
pages that people who've used that and

925
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:43,300
in various books and things like that it

926
00:51:48,690 --> 00:51:46,720
parently it's a fairly good likeness of

927
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:48,700
war arrays but other people met or

928
00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:51,130
arraigns as well it wasn't just like you

929
00:51:55,410 --> 00:51:52,780
know Truman bathroom was making up the

930
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:55,420
story or hallucinating other people over

931
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:55,930
a period

932
00:52:00,690 --> 00:51:58,720
years just like Jeff Allen Thor a claim

933
00:52:01,410 --> 00:52:00,700
that they had met this a woman from a

934
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:01,420
Clarion

935
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:05,830
oh yes yes and I have some pictures in

936
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:09,250
the Venus books by Dominic with Jessie

937
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:12,910
even one from Truman bedroom himself

938
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:16,710
well that I didn't know yes there in the

939
00:52:23,420 --> 00:52:19,510
cosmic rays excellent Venus adventure

940
00:52:29,730 --> 00:52:23,430
the original original drawings and and

941
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:29,740
and her full story is in there now let's

942
00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:31,810
get let's get into Howard adventure

943
00:52:38,550 --> 00:52:34,380
because that ties in with Frank

944
00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:38,560
estranged us and in valiant Thor let's

945
00:52:49,050 --> 00:52:42,220
go back to what would this be like 1957

946
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:49,060
or so yes 1950 1957 and Howard was

947
00:52:55,170 --> 00:52:51,550
gaining some notoriety throughout the

948
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:55,180
East Coast and he was indeed yes yes he

949
00:53:02,160 --> 00:52:57,730
was the East Coast Adamski he was called

950
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:02,170
and he was in the process of writing his

951
00:53:07,740 --> 00:53:05,650
book from outerspace to you which was

952
00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:07,750
published by caesarian press in

953
00:53:15,950 --> 00:53:12,040
Clarksburg West Virginia in 1959 and his

954
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:15,960
his wife Connie was also a contactee and

955
00:53:22,020 --> 00:53:19,240
she had written a book called my

956
00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:22,030
Saturnian lover as well as some pieces

957
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:24,580
in various science fiction magazines

958
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:27,370
like fantastic universe where she

959
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:31,210
described white forms and I had pictures

960
00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:36,640
that I posted over there on Jeff Francis

961
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:41,590
site of both Connie and Howard in a

962
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:45,790
process of transmogrification Howard's

963
00:53:52,410 --> 00:53:49,780
true identity was Saul De Niro he was he

964
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:52,420
was in this incarnation on earth but he

965
00:54:00,180 --> 00:53:55,240
was a light being from Saturn and then

966
00:54:03,810 --> 00:54:00,190
his wife Connie was known as as Marla on

967
00:54:07,530 --> 00:54:03,820
Venus and she was the daughter or she

968
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:07,540
was the sister of the five year old

969
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:10,030
woman beautifully arrayed in white

970
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:12,910
that he met on the big rock on his farm

971
00:54:24,210 --> 00:54:16,930
at Highbridge when he was a boy with his

972
00:54:30,570 --> 00:54:24,220
little brother this was a 19 in 1932

973
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:30,580
when he was just 10 years old I was

974
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:32,940
always I was always impressed by a

975
00:54:41,700 --> 00:54:37,680
Howard manager because he had other

976
00:54:44,700 --> 00:54:41,710
individuals who verified it to some

977
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:44,710
extent at least some of his experiences

978
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:47,820
I I remember getting a telephone call

979
00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:51,370
one evening from a gentleman who told me

980
00:54:58,500 --> 00:54:54,040
a very interesting experience that he

981
00:55:00,810 --> 00:54:58,510
had had he had heard Howard on the Long

982
00:55:04,340 --> 00:55:00,820
John Neville show of course a Long John

983
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:04,350
was the originator of the all night

984
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:09,760
paranormal UFO talk fest long before art

985
00:55:16,860 --> 00:55:13,210
Bell there was Long John Neville and he

986
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:16,870
he sparked up his program by having on

987
00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:20,470
some very controversial individuals and

988
00:55:26,670 --> 00:55:23,500
and a lot of them were people who

989
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:26,680
claimed like George Adamski and Daniel

990
00:55:31,710 --> 00:55:29,290
the fry and George Van Tassel that they

991
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:31,720
had actually visited with people from

992
00:55:37,020 --> 00:55:34,330
outer space and in some cases actually

993
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:37,030
gone onboard flying saucers and traveled

994
00:55:41,550 --> 00:55:39,310
to other planets

995
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:41,560
probably one of his most frequent a

996
00:55:47,010 --> 00:55:44,050
guest was was Howard manager who lived

997
00:55:51,060 --> 00:55:47,020
not too far away in Highbridge New

998
00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:51,070
Jersey now Howard a claim that he had on

999
00:55:55,890 --> 00:55:53,070
many occasions seeing these craft

1000
00:55:59,130 --> 00:55:55,900
actually had come in and land in the

1001
00:56:01,170 --> 00:55:59,140
apple orchard behind his home and I I

1002
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:01,180
think you're frequently they actually

1003
00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:04,690
even came into the into the house now he

1004
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:08,140
did provide photographs of both the the

1005
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:10,770
ships that we're coming down to land as

1006
00:56:18,090 --> 00:56:15,730
well as the the visitors but like I say

1007
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:18,100
I was impressed because we didn't just

1008
00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:20,650
have Howard and Connie mentors word that

1009
00:56:25,810 --> 00:56:23,780
something very peculiar was going on

1010
00:56:28,690 --> 00:56:25,820
there on that farm in Highbridge but

1011
00:56:33,850 --> 00:56:28,700
there were other people as well some of

1012
00:56:35,740 --> 00:56:33,860
whom were not even that closely familiar

1013
00:56:37,420 --> 00:56:35,750
with Howard there was just one

1014
00:56:39,550 --> 00:56:37,430
individual that I started telling the

1015
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:39,560
story about how he had heard Howard on

1016
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:42,110
the long John Neville show and wanted to

1017
00:56:47,860 --> 00:56:45,680
to go out there himself to see if he

1018
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:47,870
could see any mysterious you know

1019
00:56:51,010 --> 00:56:49,370
objects in the sky he didn't

1020
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:51,020
particularly think he was gonna have a

1021
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:53,450
UFO encounter or anything like that but

1022
00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:55,730
he parked in the field behind Howard's

1023
00:57:02,890 --> 00:56:58,940
home he did not announce himself it was

1024
00:57:05,950 --> 00:57:02,900
rather late at night he told me that he

1025
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:05,960
did see a number of mysterious twinkling

1026
00:57:10,690 --> 00:57:08,600
lights off in the distance but he was

1027
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:10,700
not sure whether they were spaceships or

1028
00:57:17,170 --> 00:57:13,610
not he was seated on the in the hood of

1029
00:57:19,180 --> 00:57:17,180
the car but he got out there was about

1030
00:57:21,070 --> 00:57:19,190
12:30 or 1:00 o'clock in the morning but

1031
00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:21,080
the next thing he knew the Sun was

1032
00:57:28,060 --> 00:57:23,750
coming up and the sudden it should not

1033
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:28,070
have risen for quite a few more hours

1034
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:30,650
okay so he had this experience and he

1035
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:33,290
was a little bit befuddled by the

1036
00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:35,810
missing time this was before missing

1037
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:37,780
time of course was rather you know up

1038
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:42,410
popular anyway he went back home and he

1039
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:46,490
had began to have a series of either

1040
00:57:54,490 --> 00:57:49,760
dreams or thoughts were being implanted

1041
00:57:58,330 --> 00:57:54,500
into his into his head he he moved out

1042
00:58:03,780 --> 00:57:58,340
from his his wife he rented a trailer

1043
00:58:07,750 --> 00:58:03,790
and just like the individual in the

1044
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:07,760
Close Encounters of the Third Kind movie

1045
00:58:17,290 --> 00:58:12,610
he started building all sorts of weird

1046
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:17,300
configurations and apparatus in the in

1047
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:19,520
the trailer and he thought that he was

1048
00:58:27,570 --> 00:58:24,050
being prompted by some entities from

1049
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:27,580
somewhere else perhaps that he had

1050
00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:31,730
contacted or had attracted themselves to

1051
00:58:37,570 --> 00:58:35,590
him after his visit to Howard mentors

1052
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:37,580
farm out in hybrid

1053
00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:39,830
so it anywhere other there were other

1054
00:58:43,930 --> 00:58:42,440
people who had a claim that the around

1055
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:43,940
the same period of time that they had

1056
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:46,250
seen these mysterious objects and they

1057
00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:49,130
had seen Howard go off into the field

1058
00:58:54,790 --> 00:58:53,300
and talk to to some individuals and the

1059
00:58:57,010 --> 00:58:54,800
chips were there and so forth

1060
00:59:00,850 --> 00:58:57,020
anyway anyway why don't you tell us

1061
00:59:05,850 --> 00:59:00,860
about the valiant Thor in his visit to

1062
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:05,860
the to a UFO conference oh yes

1063
00:59:14,290 --> 00:59:09,770
well August II Roberts wrote an 11 page

1064
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:14,300
report of his observations of that of

1065
00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:20,330
that day and he and he said that Howard

1066
00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:25,220
told him that you see those four people

1067
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:27,320
sitting over there and that their their

1068
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:28,160
venetians

1069
00:59:35,170 --> 00:59:32,960
and so he he looked at them and then he

1070
00:59:37,780 --> 00:59:35,180
saw that you know looked at them closely

1071
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:37,790
and saw hey everybody else around there

1072
00:59:43,420 --> 00:59:40,790
is it's really caught up in these people

1073
00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:43,430
there they can't take their eyes off and

1074
00:59:50,010 --> 00:59:47,240
some something's going on there and the

1075
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:50,020
kind of questions that he was asking

1076
01:00:00,220 --> 00:59:54,650
were about the space program that was

1077
01:00:04,050 --> 01:00:00,230
just emerging the the German refugee who

1078
01:00:09,570 --> 01:00:04,060
came over in 1937 Willie lay The

1079
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:09,580
Rocketeer and very interested about

1080
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,630
America's putting its toe into the

1081
01:00:18,730 --> 01:00:15,200
cosmic ocean

1082
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:18,740
and so this was and and cosmic evolution

1083
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:22,610
and life on other planets that Howard

1084
01:00:27,210 --> 01:00:25,010
was talking about and so he was writing

1085
01:00:30,070 --> 01:00:27,220
all these things down especially

1086
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:30,080
interested in Howard mangers background

1087
01:00:40,540 --> 01:00:34,510
and why he he was so fascinated about

1088
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:40,550
about Venus so I'm so this was just the

1089
01:00:48,550 --> 01:00:43,670
confirmation that you know valiant Thor

1090
01:00:51,010 --> 01:00:48,560
was the individual that in the Venusian

1091
01:00:55,150 --> 01:00:51,020
in the picture that

1092
01:01:00,580 --> 01:00:55,160
that the alias miss Warren in Washington

1093
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:00,590
DC area from dr. Strange's Church had

1094
01:01:07,690 --> 01:01:04,010
identified and so it's a very very

1095
01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:07,700
interesting story and and one thing

1096
01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:09,980
though you know about Howard mentor and

1097
01:01:15,970 --> 01:01:12,470
then some of these other contact these

1098
01:01:18,190 --> 01:01:15,980
Truman the tharam George Adamski once

1099
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:18,200
said that being a contact II is the

1100
01:01:24,310 --> 01:01:21,710
hardest job on earth and as it really

1101
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:24,320
causes a strain and some in some

1102
01:01:31,060 --> 01:01:27,680
marriages and in relationships so I have

1103
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:31,070
to command miss Julie for you know I can

1104
01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:37,010
just imagine how it must have been you

1105
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:40,390
know in the 50s and 60s with all the

1106
01:01:48,220 --> 01:01:44,000
sometimes undue attention that that may

1107
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,230
have come her way and to her husband and

1108
01:01:54,940 --> 01:01:51,200
children and you know putting a wedge

1109
01:01:58,870 --> 01:01:54,950
into what might normally be a regular

1110
01:02:02,530 --> 01:01:58,880
life well you know the the pictures that

1111
01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:02,540
I have seen of those individuals on

1112
01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:05,870
Howard's farm and I just recently saw

1113
01:02:11,950 --> 01:02:07,880
the color photographs which I had never

1114
01:02:14,290 --> 01:02:11,960
run across before they certainly do

1115
01:02:16,540 --> 01:02:14,300
stand out I mean they're they're

1116
01:02:17,980 --> 01:02:16,550
extremely attractive that's that's

1117
01:02:21,130 --> 01:02:17,990
really about the best way that I got

1118
01:02:23,650 --> 01:02:21,140
they look like movie stars almost you

1119
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:23,660
know I mean they just and you can see in

1120
01:02:28,990 --> 01:02:26,690
the photographs that everybody in the

1121
01:02:31,330 --> 01:02:29,000
audience is looking at them there's one

1122
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,340
photograph in particular where I don't

1123
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:32,960
know I mean you know they could be

1124
01:02:37,210 --> 01:02:34,970
looking at the photographer I don't know

1125
01:02:40,260 --> 01:02:37,220
how far away he was when he took those

1126
01:02:43,660 --> 01:02:40,270
pictures but everybody's attention is on

1127
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:43,670
those individuals and although it's

1128
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:47,030
photographs that that I sent there they

1129
01:02:54,820 --> 01:02:51,170
have August II Roberts official seal his

1130
01:02:57,070 --> 01:02:54,830
stamp and and then his typed comments

1131
01:03:00,210 --> 01:02:57,080
that were on the back of each of those

1132
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:00,220
pictures so you get August see Roberts

1133
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,480
immediate impression of what was

1134
01:03:08,610 --> 01:03:04,240
happening back there

1135
01:03:11,970 --> 01:03:08,620
that fateful day in 1957 well no and

1136
01:03:15,180 --> 01:03:11,980
that that's not the only photograph of

1137
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:15,190
an alleged Venusian now there was a

1138
01:03:22,530 --> 01:03:17,250
Dolores

1139
01:03:24,780 --> 01:03:22,540
Mario's is that how that was taken in

1140
01:03:28,110 --> 01:03:24,790
was in 1954 they're up there in

1141
01:03:30,450 --> 01:03:28,120
California yeah there was 7th and 8th of

1142
01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:30,460
August where the photos were taken on

1143
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:32,560
the 8th of August the last day of the

1144
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:36,930
convention it was at the skyline Lodge

1145
01:03:47,780 --> 01:03:41,440
on the west side of the sloping hill

1146
01:03:50,430 --> 01:03:47,790
going down there at Mount Palomar and

1147
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:50,440
people noticed that she had this odd

1148
01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:53,730
appearance and that she looked like the

1149
01:04:00,960 --> 01:03:56,830
the painting that George Adamski had

1150
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:00,970
just unveiled of of orphans so people

1151
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,130
kept pestering her are you a Venusian

1152
01:04:10,380 --> 01:04:05,680
are you you know what do you do doing

1153
01:04:12,570 --> 01:04:10,390
here this and that and she she was just

1154
01:04:15,870 --> 01:04:12,580
trying to duck out of there with her her

1155
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:15,880
posse her two friends and the people

1156
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:21,250
chased them down the hill and then Miss

1157
01:04:29,010 --> 01:04:25,210
Barrios somehow some summoned up a swarm

1158
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:29,020
of bees which stopped the people dead in

1159
01:04:41,610 --> 01:04:37,410
just be materialized into an ionized

1160
01:04:45,750 --> 01:04:41,620
cloud of light and ascend up into a

1161
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:45,760
scout craft and away they went so now

1162
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:49,170
how did you get to meet her years later

1163
01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:55,410
well in in California I've met with

1164
01:05:03,420 --> 01:04:59,880
Gabriel green on several occasions and

1165
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:03,430
met many people and ufology throughout

1166
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:06,960
my life and one of them happened to be

1167
01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:10,480
Miss Barrios but that's not the name

1168
01:05:15,690 --> 01:05:12,310
that she went by then she changes her

1169
01:05:17,650 --> 01:05:15,700
name every 15 years or so and and her

1170
01:05:20,980 --> 01:05:17,660
full biography I

1171
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:20,990
have in Venus rising the first book and

1172
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:23,690
then in the second and third book I have

1173
01:05:31,210 --> 01:05:28,010
I have some of her further adventures

1174
01:05:33,730 --> 01:05:31,220
and pictures of her well did she did she

1175
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:33,740
track you down or did somebody come to

1176
01:05:39,370 --> 01:05:35,150
you and say hey I've got somebody you

1177
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:39,380
need to meet no I just met her with a

1178
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:41,510
with a group of people out at Gabe's

1179
01:05:46,660 --> 01:05:44,960
house Gabriel Greene's house all right

1180
01:05:49,329 --> 01:05:46,670
you know because I know I mean there's

1181
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:49,339
been a number of people over the years

1182
01:05:53,559 --> 01:05:51,170
who you know have been you know

1183
01:05:55,539 --> 01:05:53,569
speculating over those original

1184
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:55,549
photographs on what what may have

1185
01:06:01,809 --> 01:05:59,119
happened to her so I mean it it's it's

1186
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:01,819
interesting that that she's still she

1187
01:06:07,930 --> 01:06:04,609
was still out there yes the original

1188
01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:07,940
photographs were taken by ghoul Martines

1189
01:06:14,380 --> 01:06:11,630
a report well Edie careful he was the

1190
01:06:18,839 --> 01:06:14,390
photographer for okras arrow magazine in

1191
01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:18,849
Brazil and then the October 1954 issue

1192
01:06:26,140 --> 01:06:22,910
published the story about the convention

1193
01:06:29,019 --> 01:06:26,150
that it's involved testimonies from

1194
01:06:33,819 --> 01:06:29,029
three contactees George Adamski Truman

1195
01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:33,829
but serum and Daniel Frye and then John

1196
01:06:40,569 --> 01:06:37,220
Martines is the one who wrote the wrote

1197
01:06:43,950 --> 01:06:40,579
the articles so she wouldn't even be

1198
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:43,960
known if it wasn't for as always those

1199
01:06:51,819 --> 01:06:47,930
two individuals hey you know what I

1200
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:51,829
wanted to ask you about I saw in one of

1201
01:06:58,510 --> 01:06:53,569
your books here

1202
01:07:01,450 --> 01:06:58,520
rock and roll musicians who had contact

1203
01:07:03,339 --> 01:07:01,460
with Dimension X I'm not familiar with

1204
01:07:08,370 --> 01:07:03,349
that can you fill me in a little on

1205
01:07:13,539 --> 01:07:08,380
Dimension X oh yes Dimension X was um

1206
01:07:17,890 --> 01:07:13,549
was an area of research by physicists at

1207
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:17,900
the time and it was a name that was just

1208
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:20,240
coined for this nebulous phantom zone

1209
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:24,400
that existed out there and the in the

1210
01:07:30,540 --> 01:07:26,450
regions of space that the

1211
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:30,550
extraterrestrials can use to to

1212
01:07:39,930 --> 01:07:33,610
transit through space and through time

1213
01:07:41,730 --> 01:07:39,940
and inter-dimensionally and then a lot

1214
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:41,740
of people don't know that Gabriel green

1215
01:07:51,020 --> 01:07:45,760
was himself a physicist he had degrees

1216
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,030
in physics and and nuclear science and

1217
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:53,680
he had many friends in the in that

1218
01:07:59,970 --> 01:07:57,690
community and so the the chapter in

1219
01:08:03,960 --> 01:07:59,980
there's a chapter in the final

1220
01:08:06,990 --> 01:08:03,970
countdown' rockets to Venus that

1221
01:08:09,900 --> 01:08:07,000
includes some of the speculations of of

1222
01:08:13,590 --> 01:08:09,910
Gabriel green and other physicists about

1223
01:08:16,130 --> 01:08:13,600
this he about this this region in space

1224
01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:16,140
and the outside of space and time

1225
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:19,150
outside the space-time continuum as we

1226
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:21,520
know huh did you did you by any chance

1227
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:27,370
know Michael X my crack know I go like

1228
01:08:33,809 --> 01:08:30,490
yeah Michael Vartan we just recently

1229
01:08:37,740 --> 01:08:33,819
reprinted his Venusian secret science

1230
01:08:40,110 --> 01:08:37,750
and Venusian health of magic books which

1231
01:08:45,570 --> 01:08:40,120
was actually a course but he was one of

1232
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:45,580
the contactees from the you know the era

1233
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:48,010
of Troy Van Tassel the giant rock

1234
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:50,920
conventions and and very articulate I

1235
01:08:59,220 --> 01:08:55,120
mean I always loved Michael X's writings

1236
01:09:00,420 --> 01:08:59,230
they were right to the point and of

1237
01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:00,430
course he was the first to actually

1238
01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:03,790
published the the concept of the theory

1239
01:09:09,599 --> 01:09:07,240
that at least some UFOs were were made

1240
01:09:12,420 --> 01:09:09,609
by the the Germans you know the Nazis

1241
01:09:17,730 --> 01:09:12,430
and Frank strangest believed in that as

1242
01:09:21,270 --> 01:09:17,740
as well as Tim and I both do oh yes in

1243
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:21,280
fact there's one of your books that you

1244
01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:26,770
published by by Omnicon ik-hee oh yes I

1245
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:29,140
didn't know that she had written this

1246
01:09:35,789 --> 01:09:33,250
one particular sentence but when I had

1247
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:35,799
finished doing some research on a

1248
01:09:45,059 --> 01:09:42,250
particular German astronaut and and that

1249
01:09:47,309 --> 01:09:45,069
that candy reset from the Weekly World

1250
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,319
News he was a correspondent for my

1251
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:49,359
publication in California the new

1252
01:09:55,140 --> 01:09:52,000
millennial star I've been researching

1253
01:09:57,210 --> 01:09:55,150
about this German astronaut that came

1254
01:09:59,820 --> 01:09:57,220
down and splash landed off the East

1255
01:10:05,280 --> 01:09:59,830
Coast picked up by the carrier USS

1256
01:10:07,650 --> 01:10:05,290
Roosevelt in 1991 and then where had he

1257
01:10:10,890 --> 01:10:07,660
been all this time

1258
01:10:13,020 --> 01:10:10,900
and it was a big big mystery it was on

1259
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:13,030
the cover of the Weekly World News in

1260
01:10:19,470 --> 01:10:16,690
fact and so we followed up and dug up

1261
01:10:24,210 --> 01:10:19,480
all this information found out the name

1262
01:10:28,460 --> 01:10:24,220
of the astronaut and who he was working

1263
01:10:31,470 --> 01:10:28,470
for in Germany and it all fitted in and

1264
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:31,480
what we're all right hold hold that

1265
01:10:36,210 --> 01:10:33,730
thought dr. Keller because we have to go

1266
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:36,220
to our break we will come back and talk

1267
01:10:47,140 --> 01:10:38,280
more

1268
01:10:53,870 --> 01:10:51,290
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1269
01:10:57,169 --> 01:10:53,880
two of the most electrifying researchers

1270
01:11:05,839 --> 01:10:57,179
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1271
01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:05,849
Lee and toasts welcome back to exploring

1272
01:11:10,490 --> 01:11:08,820
the bazaar in Tim here we are or the

1273
01:11:12,589 --> 01:11:10,500
final segment of the program so I think

1274
01:11:14,109 --> 01:11:12,599
we'd better just jump right in because I

1275
01:11:16,910 --> 01:11:14,119
know we have a lot of questions

1276
01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:16,920
remaining that we want to ask our guests

1277
01:11:22,450 --> 01:11:20,190
but Julie I want to bring you in and ask

1278
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:22,460
you you made a comment during the break

1279
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:26,489
we had been talking about the the color

1280
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:28,110
photographs that had been taken at

1281
01:11:33,260 --> 01:11:31,980
Howard vengers place of the the

1282
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,270
Venetians and you had something

1283
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:35,760
interesting to say about the the woman

1284
01:11:43,629 --> 01:11:39,360
who was photographed yes the lady who's

1285
01:11:47,959 --> 01:11:43,639
in the picture whose name is jill has

1286
01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:47,969
very beautiful red lips and it's not

1287
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:52,380
makeup that's her natural color and I'm

1288
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,210
sure that most people think oh she's

1289
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,159
wearing red lipstick or something in the

1290
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:58,880
picture if they've seen the color ones

1291
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:01,679
yeah and it's not that's her natural

1292
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:05,820
color those those photographs are very

1293
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:08,159
interesting yeah those photographs are

1294
01:12:13,580 --> 01:12:12,000
available you know online I can't

1295
01:12:15,649 --> 01:12:13,590
now just offhand I can't remember where

1296
01:12:18,830 --> 01:12:15,659
I ran across them just it just recently

1297
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:18,840
but you know they these people I mean

1298
01:12:24,430 --> 01:12:21,300
they they stand out even more once you

1299
01:12:28,339 --> 01:12:24,440
see these these these color photographs

1300
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:28,349
yeah I may have some posted on the

1301
01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:31,290
stranger at the Pentagon movie Facebook

1302
01:12:39,109 --> 01:12:34,590
page or on Stranger at the Pentagon com

1303
01:12:41,660 --> 01:12:39,119
if people want to check it out because I

1304
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:41,670
know I posted the color photographs

1305
01:12:45,649 --> 01:12:43,280
because there's not that many of them

1306
01:12:46,879 --> 01:12:45,659
well well yeah you were saying how many

1307
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:46,889
photographs

1308
01:12:53,149 --> 01:12:49,199
did they have photographer take these

1309
01:12:56,660 --> 01:12:53,159
like over 200 it was about about 250

1310
01:12:59,150 --> 01:12:56,670
supposedly that August Roberts took that

1311
01:13:05,720 --> 01:12:59,160
day so the ones that we

1312
01:13:11,260 --> 01:13:05,730
scene or maybe about 20 something about

1313
01:13:14,270 --> 01:13:11,270
you know around there so so they have to

1314
01:13:18,530 --> 01:13:14,280
you know they they had to have landed in

1315
01:13:22,730 --> 01:13:18,540
some other collectors hands you know

1316
01:13:26,180 --> 01:13:22,740
when all deep ask as I believe dr.

1317
01:13:29,020 --> 01:13:26,190
Keller do you know when Augie passed I'm

1318
01:13:33,790 --> 01:13:29,030
not sure the I'm not sure of the date

1319
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:33,800
that that he passed but he was a

1320
01:13:38,930 --> 01:13:36,930
collaborator with Otto binder the

1321
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:38,940
science fiction and comic book writer

1322
01:13:46,670 --> 01:13:42,060
and they were planning on writing two

1323
01:13:52,490 --> 01:13:46,680
books and and there's an eight page

1324
01:13:55,220 --> 01:13:52,500
draft and then another another page that

1325
01:14:00,680 --> 01:13:55,230
I have I just published the first page

1326
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:00,690
of eight you know it's showing the that

1327
01:14:07,700 --> 01:14:04,080
they did plan to work together and right

1328
01:14:13,790 --> 01:14:07,710
so August Roberts was forwarding sets of

1329
01:14:16,670 --> 01:14:13,800
all his UFO photos to Otto binder that

1330
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:16,680
was one and he he he forwarded these

1331
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:20,970
sets to many too many people in the UFO

1332
01:14:26,540 --> 01:14:24,600
research community but I think maybe he

1333
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,550
just picked the best ones what he

1334
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:29,280
thought were the best because you know

1335
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:32,400
some of them you know are just the same

1336
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:34,980
thing but they're not right I'm sure

1337
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:35,880
yeah

1338
01:14:45,710 --> 01:14:42,870
camera he had back in 1958 when those

1339
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:45,720
photos were originally taken and rolls

1340
01:14:49,670 --> 01:14:47,850
of film so mm-hm

1341
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:49,680
well you know as we as we all know

1342
01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:51,840
unfortunately a lot of times when a

1343
01:14:58,520 --> 01:14:54,600
person passes away their family doesn't

1344
01:15:00,650 --> 01:14:58,530
realize you know what yeah what is left

1345
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,660
behind and a lot of that stuff descends

1346
01:15:05,690 --> 01:15:03,360
up out in the trash heap well another

1347
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:05,700
thing about another thing about jail

1348
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:10,770
that that that Julie could probably the

1349
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:12,810
Julie probably spotted

1350
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:15,540
was the fact that she has very long

1351
01:15:23,660 --> 01:15:21,360
fingers and I have one photo in in the

1352
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:23,670
third Venus book of Dolores Barrios

1353
01:15:30,980 --> 01:15:27,930
sitting on a rock and her fingers are

1354
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:30,990
very long to even longer than then than

1355
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:34,370
gills they look they do look very very

1356
01:15:43,130 --> 01:15:39,810
strange and that's a that's somewhat of

1357
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:43,140
a key therefore looking for Celestials

1358
01:15:46,940 --> 01:15:45,830
that are living and working among us

1359
01:15:48,710 --> 01:15:46,950
mm-hmm

1360
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:48,720
well that's that's one of those things

1361
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:51,510
that we have a number of witnesses

1362
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:54,930
throughout the years who have no idea

1363
01:16:01,040 --> 01:15:57,930
about you know other people who have

1364
01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:01,050
made the same observations that these

1365
01:16:08,330 --> 01:16:04,470
these Nordic types have unusually long

1366
01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:08,340
fingers and but I mean not freakishly

1367
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:11,550
long I mean they're they're described as

1368
01:16:18,620 --> 01:16:14,070
being delicate and beautiful almost yes

1369
01:16:21,940 --> 01:16:18,630
and then the Paul Hellyer the former

1370
01:16:26,770 --> 01:16:21,950
defense minister in Canada he said that

1371
01:16:31,310 --> 01:16:26,780
that that generally they can pass for

1372
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:31,320
for us here in America and blend in but

1373
01:16:36,850 --> 01:16:33,930
they do have to take precautions because

1374
01:16:40,250 --> 01:16:36,860
some of these changes are physical

1375
01:16:42,740 --> 01:16:40,260
differences are quite noticeable but one

1376
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:42,750
of the comments that he made on Russian

1377
01:16:50,930 --> 01:16:47,970
television a UFO special was that out at

1378
01:16:54,170 --> 01:16:50,940
the area of 51 there's about 80

1379
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:54,180
different species of ETS that are that

1380
01:17:02,770 --> 01:16:57,090
are there living there at that facility

1381
01:17:06,050 --> 01:17:02,780
and the human looking ones they dress up

1382
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:06,060
they kind of over dressed like nuns or

1383
01:17:12,170 --> 01:17:09,690
or priests or ministers when they go

1384
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:12,180
into the town when they go into Las

1385
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:15,450
Vegas because they like to you know

1386
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:18,780
check out the malls and go to the

1387
01:17:24,980 --> 01:17:20,730
casinos and everything I thought that

1388
01:17:25,409 --> 01:17:24,990
way well yeah go see life sure I like

1389
01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:25,419
that

1390
01:17:39,989 --> 01:17:37,300
favorite in casinos and another favorite

1391
01:17:42,959 --> 01:17:39,999
I'm doing a series of articles for lawn

1392
01:17:45,179 --> 01:17:42,969
strickler's phantoms and monsters and

1393
01:17:47,879 --> 01:17:45,189
then all and then brent rains or

1394
01:17:51,469 --> 01:17:47,889
alternate perceptions about Venusian

1395
01:17:54,209 --> 01:17:51,479
tourism and the various cases where

1396
01:17:56,909 --> 01:17:54,219
Venetians have come to earth to enjoy

1397
01:18:00,209 --> 01:17:56,919
our mountains and go horseback riding or

1398
01:18:03,389 --> 01:18:00,219
fishing or just sunbathing or swimming

1399
01:18:05,909 --> 01:18:03,399
and it's very very interesting I found

1400
01:18:09,689 --> 01:18:05,919
quite a bit of information on this

1401
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:09,699
subject mmm Craig I wanted to ask you

1402
01:18:17,370 --> 01:18:13,840
what has been the the reaction from your

1403
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:17,380
film and at this point I mean I know

1404
01:18:24,299 --> 01:18:20,050
it's it's it's been out for a little

1405
01:18:28,759 --> 01:18:24,309
while now I mean what's what's the

1406
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:28,769
reaction well I like I said I had never

1407
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:32,110
thought I was going to ever show it it

1408
01:18:41,639 --> 01:18:36,010
was just going to use it as a piece for

1409
01:18:44,370 --> 01:18:41,649
investors but once once the Burbank Film

1410
01:18:47,459 --> 01:18:44,380
Festival happened and then we were sort

1411
01:18:49,979 --> 01:18:47,469
of you know we were shown on Beverly

1412
01:18:52,620 --> 01:18:49,989
Hills housewives and and we won the

1413
01:18:58,859 --> 01:18:52,630
Burbank Film Festival for best sci-fi

1414
01:19:00,989 --> 01:18:58,869
short then all of a sudden everybody

1415
01:19:05,549 --> 01:19:00,999
started taking notice all over the world

1416
01:19:09,299 --> 01:19:05,559
so I I did like a year of touring with

1417
01:19:13,020 --> 01:19:09,309
the film speaking between two people

1418
01:19:15,449 --> 01:19:13,030
between 200 and 500 per audience about

1419
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:15,459
the story and showing and showing the

1420
01:19:24,209 --> 01:19:22,719
film and then other other things happen

1421
01:19:27,589 --> 01:19:24,219
you know I just kept doing all kinds of

1422
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:27,599
shows and

1423
01:19:37,069 --> 01:19:34,110
did a guy a show which on stranger and

1424
01:19:41,930 --> 01:19:37,079
that became the one of the top ten most

1425
01:19:44,419 --> 01:19:41,940
watched shows ever on Gallo TV but the

1426
01:19:47,330 --> 01:19:44,429
other thing was is ancient aliens saw

1427
01:19:51,109 --> 01:19:47,340
the film and they called and they did a

1428
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:51,119
whole story on valiant Thor along with

1429
01:19:58,399 --> 01:19:55,920
dr. Frank and Harley bird who was a part

1430
01:20:01,790 --> 01:19:58,409
of Project Blue Book who actually wrote

1431
01:20:05,060 --> 01:20:01,800
the foreword and confirmed the story but

1432
01:20:07,129 --> 01:20:05,070
also on ancient aliens Paul Hellyer

1433
01:20:12,379 --> 01:20:07,139
confirmed the story because he was a

1434
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:12,389
part of the show at that at that time in

1435
01:20:18,350 --> 01:20:16,050
that aired last December it's uh season

1436
01:20:25,490 --> 01:20:18,360
9 and the episodes called the mysterious

1437
01:20:27,319 --> 01:20:25,500
nine my producing partner Tanya she is

1438
01:20:31,220 --> 01:20:27,329
in Europe and they've had many

1439
01:20:32,750 --> 01:20:31,230
screenings there and she said once she

1440
01:20:34,580 --> 01:20:32,760
thought she was just going to you know

1441
01:20:37,729 --> 01:20:34,590
to a very small screening and she said

1442
01:20:41,779 --> 01:20:37,739
they were just so many people that debt

1443
01:20:44,270 --> 01:20:41,789
she she was flipped out it was in

1444
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:44,280
Germany and they had actually taken a

1445
01:20:50,689 --> 01:20:46,679
little small thing that I had done and I

1446
01:20:52,549 --> 01:20:50,699
have on my youtube channel just

1447
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:52,559
explaining the story like a seven minute

1448
01:20:58,669 --> 01:20:55,170
thing they attacks actually transcribed

1449
01:21:00,560 --> 01:20:58,679
that and showed that before the film and

1450
01:21:02,319 --> 01:21:00,570
then she said that at the end they all

1451
01:21:08,419 --> 01:21:02,329
stood up and they were giving it a

1452
01:21:11,660 --> 01:21:08,429
standing ovation no I just get lots of I

1453
01:21:14,750 --> 01:21:11,670
I would say that response is about 95

1454
01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:14,760
percent positive there's always going to

1455
01:21:19,609 --> 01:21:17,880
be a hater here and there social uh you

1456
01:21:22,879 --> 01:21:19,619
know that kind of thing but that's a

1457
01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:22,889
very that's a very good response because

1458
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:28,860
all of the notes of the shows and things

1459
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:30,570
that have done you know when people make

1460
01:21:35,810 --> 01:21:33,449
comments is that this is the first time

1461
01:21:38,899 --> 01:21:35,820
they've heard of a positive story and

1462
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:38,909
that they feel safe that there are

1463
01:21:44,210 --> 01:21:41,100
beings like this that are here

1464
01:21:46,610 --> 01:21:44,220
actually helping and protecting as well

1465
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:46,620
so now have you been have you been

1466
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:50,570
approached yet by by anyone wanting to

1467
01:21:59,390 --> 01:21:55,280
take that next step well I've been

1468
01:22:01,700 --> 01:21:59,400
setting it up so right now I'm in the

1469
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:01,710
stages of setting up the feature film

1470
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:07,980
and invent as soon as we go you know we

1471
01:22:15,850 --> 01:22:10,770
could you know we could maybe be seeing

1472
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:15,860
it by 2020 Wow well I made the

1473
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:19,650
considering the the the excellent

1474
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:22,440
special-effects that you've got in the

1475
01:22:32,630 --> 01:22:28,880
short I mean it's to do a feature-length

1476
01:22:35,900 --> 01:22:32,640
that's that's cool yeah that's that's

1477
01:22:38,260 --> 01:22:35,910
gonna require some some computers

1478
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:38,270
churning for an awful long time

1479
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:43,050
yes I've actually I've actually been

1480
01:22:51,290 --> 01:22:46,650
meeting with a lot of visual effects

1481
01:22:53,780 --> 01:22:51,300
people and you know who do giant films

1482
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:53,790
and basically because we will have so

1483
01:23:00,020 --> 01:22:56,850
much because we'll be on the interior of

1484
01:23:03,170 --> 01:23:00,030
Venus will be on a giant mothership and

1485
01:23:07,550 --> 01:23:03,180
see a lot of the mothership will be on

1486
01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:07,560
the Victor class saucers which are 300

1487
01:23:13,580 --> 01:23:11,070
feet in diameter and I think it's 97

1488
01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:13,590
feet from the top of antenna all the way

1489
01:23:21,410 --> 01:23:18,000
down two stories each each craft holds

1490
01:23:24,350 --> 01:23:21,420
200 people will be a lot on those craft

1491
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:24,360
and then at the very end

1492
01:23:32,300 --> 01:23:27,840
we'll be on a gigantic unbelievable

1493
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:32,310
starship so so there's going to be a lot

1494
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:34,290
we're going to be up there a lot and

1495
01:23:40,660 --> 01:23:37,530
learning about their worlds as well but

1496
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:40,670
and then the other part will be down in

1497
01:23:46,610 --> 01:23:44,970
Washington know you know so I'm gonna

1498
01:23:50,210 --> 01:23:46,620
give the film a

1499
01:23:54,590 --> 01:23:50,220
a sort of Wizard of Oz unbelievable

1500
01:23:56,930 --> 01:23:54,600
color feel when we're up with valiant

1501
01:24:02,720 --> 01:23:56,940
Thor and the crew and all of the craft

1502
01:24:05,690 --> 01:24:02,730
and then when we're in Washington I'm

1503
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:05,700
going to give it that sort of that 50s

1504
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:08,640
feel you know remember how color film

1505
01:24:14,090 --> 01:24:11,130
looked like in the 50s it's like a

1506
01:24:16,430 --> 01:24:14,100
different kind of grain to it so so

1507
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:16,440
it'll get you know which is sort of

1508
01:24:22,340 --> 01:24:19,770
representation of the two different

1509
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:22,350
consciousness as well because you know

1510
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:26,130
he's he's from where he is and he knows

1511
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,800
everything but he still has to go

1512
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:30,960
through it and people have a choice to

1513
01:24:39,170 --> 01:24:34,890
act or not act on what he knows that's

1514
01:24:42,290 --> 01:24:39,180
going on in his head so I'm looking

1515
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:42,300
forward to seeing that's yeah well I'm

1516
01:24:46,580 --> 01:24:43,920
looking forward to making it I mean I'm

1517
01:24:54,170 --> 01:24:46,590
doing is ready everything's ready set go

1518
01:24:55,550 --> 01:24:54,180
and it's going to just be so I mean it's

1519
01:25:00,670 --> 01:24:55,560
just gonna be really exciting because

1520
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:00,680
we're gonna see things and images and

1521
01:25:06,410 --> 01:25:03,450
stuff that we have never seen in film

1522
01:25:14,750 --> 01:25:06,420
before so and by the way of a short film

1523
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:14,760
had 80 visual effects in it 80 I can I

1524
01:25:18,620 --> 01:25:16,860
mean I remember when I first talked to

1525
01:25:22,460 --> 01:25:18,630
you I mean you were still in the process

1526
01:25:25,340 --> 01:25:22,470
of creating the special effects and I

1527
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:25,350
mean that took oh my god I can't I mean

1528
01:25:30,620 --> 01:25:28,410
that took more than a year it took a

1529
01:25:32,690 --> 01:25:30,630
year yeah yeah because you know we had

1530
01:25:34,850 --> 01:25:32,700
we had a certain amount of budget you

1531
01:25:37,940 --> 01:25:34,860
know we did a crowdfunding just for that

1532
01:25:39,470 --> 01:25:37,950
and we just had a certain amount of

1533
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,480
money and we had to find somebody that

1534
01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:42,000
could actually do it and I found a

1535
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:46,500
wonderful company in Phoenix and so it's

1536
01:25:54,980 --> 01:25:48,210
going back and forth to Phoenix a lot

1537
01:25:57,410 --> 01:25:54,990
and you know so I mean great that I that

1538
01:25:58,700 --> 01:25:57,420
I contributed to that chrome thing for

1539
01:26:03,170 --> 01:25:58,710
that did

1540
01:26:05,150 --> 01:26:03,180
thank you so much it was a project that

1541
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:05,160
I believed in and wanted to see

1542
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:08,070
go ahead Julie I'm sorry if I could just

1543
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:10,890
pipe in one thing please ooh I don't

1544
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:14,010
know that people realize that having

1545
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:17,730
this book made into a real first-class

1546
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:22,410
film was Frank's dream that was his

1547
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:25,650
life's dream from the time that he first

1548
01:26:33,530 --> 01:26:31,170
wrote his first book and the in

1549
01:26:37,820 --> 01:26:33,540
different stages became stranger at the

1550
01:26:41,260 --> 01:26:37,830
Pentagon that was his dream and to see

1551
01:26:43,910 --> 01:26:41,270
it come into fruition and become reality

1552
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:43,920
yes is something that there are no words

1553
01:26:50,270 --> 01:26:48,420
to describe you know some I know they

1554
01:26:54,890 --> 01:26:50,280
tell me it I know that he'll be seeing

1555
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:54,900
it I did I wish that he were here in

1556
01:27:03,830 --> 01:26:57,690
person to see eight but that was his

1557
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:03,840
life's dream you know what was one thing

1558
01:27:09,709 --> 01:27:05,580
that I didn't think of as when the film

1559
01:27:11,630 --> 01:27:09,719
was done I did several screenings out at

1560
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:11,640
the Integris Ron because you know dr.

1561
01:27:20,060 --> 01:27:13,290
Frank and I went out there many times

1562
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:20,070
and did UFO space conventions but dr.

1563
01:27:26,060 --> 01:27:22,410
Frank used to emcee all of them with

1564
01:27:31,850 --> 01:27:26,070
George Van Tassel back in the day oh you

1565
01:27:34,190 --> 01:27:31,860
know it was in Beckley q yes yes and so

1566
01:27:36,530 --> 01:27:34,200
it was exciting I'm doing them don't get

1567
01:27:39,229 --> 01:27:36,540
it you enjoy the you know he enjoyed

1568
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:39,239
doing that he loved people he loved

1569
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:42,530
speaking and he would can you know do

1570
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:45,840
little slide seminars for people there

1571
01:27:51,770 --> 01:27:48,480
and we met some wonderful people as a

1572
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:51,780
result of that and some are still are

1573
01:27:58,820 --> 01:27:54,719
very dear friends yes

1574
01:28:00,650 --> 01:27:58,830
so the but somebody at the integrin said

1575
01:28:04,340 --> 01:28:00,660
do you realize that you just made the

1576
01:28:07,130 --> 01:28:04,350
very first movie about the space

1577
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:07,140
brothers from the 50s era and I went wow

1578
01:28:11,450 --> 01:28:09,050
you're absolutely right

1579
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,460
so that's incorrect

1580
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,400
for everybody yeah no that's incredible

1581
01:28:16,670 --> 01:28:15,600
thinking I mean you know here we're

1582
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:16,680
talking about something that happened

1583
01:28:21,729 --> 01:28:18,090
you know especially back in the 50s and

1584
01:28:24,530 --> 01:28:21,739
early 60s that it took all this time

1585
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:24,540
exactly exactly and people can watch the

1586
01:28:30,979 --> 01:28:26,910
short film on the website stranger at

1587
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:30,989
the Pentagon calm so you know so it's

1588
01:28:37,820 --> 01:28:34,560
very uh you know it's just very exciting

1589
01:28:40,490 --> 01:28:37,830
and it was so wonderful to see it you

1590
01:28:43,940 --> 01:28:40,500
know all all come together to see

1591
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:43,950
Julie's face on the night night and dr.

1592
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:46,350
Frank was there I mean we all felt him

1593
01:28:53,060 --> 01:28:50,400
so and there were even other contactees

1594
01:28:54,530 --> 01:28:53,070
who were there with George Van Tassel in

1595
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:54,540
early days that were there in the

1596
01:29:02,830 --> 01:28:59,760
audience as well so and yeah there was

1597
01:29:06,860 --> 01:29:02,840
like everybody came it was amazing

1598
01:29:08,540 --> 01:29:06,870
dr. Keller I wanted to wear and

1599
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,550
unfortunately were rapidly running out

1600
01:29:14,260 --> 01:29:11,520
of time but I just really quick I want

1601
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:14,270
to play just a devil's advocate you know

1602
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:18,810
you have a lot of a scientist and you

1603
01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:21,330
know astrophysicists who say that well

1604
01:29:26,450 --> 01:29:24,510
you know there's no way that any anybody

1605
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:26,460
or anything could live on Venus and he's

1606
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got a acid atmosphere the pressure is

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extremely high

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01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:33,300
you know Sulphurs falling from the sky

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01:29:40,010 --> 01:29:37,260
it's just absolutely impossible yet here

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01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:40,020
we have year you know for years people

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01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:43,880
claiming to have had contact with

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01:29:51,470 --> 01:29:48,690
vistacal human-looking Venetians yes in

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01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:51,480
my in my book final countdown rockets to

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01:30:00,670 --> 01:29:55,050
Venus I talk about this and the various

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01:30:04,790 --> 01:30:00,680
space programs in in in Russia in Europe

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01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:04,800
in the United States and Japan that have

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01:30:12,830 --> 01:30:09,120
sent probes to Venus and we're getting a

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01:30:15,979 --> 01:30:12,840
lot of contradictory information for

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01:30:20,630 --> 01:30:15,989
example we know there's diverse

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01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:20,640
conditions on earth and it depends on

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01:30:24,890 --> 01:30:22,650
where we're a probe would go and it goes

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01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:24,900
to an another planet

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01:30:30,620 --> 01:30:27,090
if it were to land in the desert or if

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01:30:33,740 --> 01:30:30,630
it were to land in the crash into the

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01:30:36,590 --> 01:30:33,750
side of a mountain or a volcano and well

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01:30:38,899 --> 01:30:36,600
we found out that for example that the

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01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:38,909
Russians say that the temperature is

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01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:42,810
moderate and that what they were

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01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:47,400
measuring was electrical heat in the in

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01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:49,290
the ionosphere in the upper atmosphere

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01:31:02,510 --> 01:30:57,530
and not and not on the surface of Venus

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01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:02,520
not thermal heat just electrical then we

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01:31:08,209 --> 01:31:06,239
know that the atmosphere is is a by

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01:31:12,410 --> 01:31:08,219
magnetic and that there's water vapor

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01:31:15,919 --> 01:31:12,420
that has been detected on Venus so you

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01:31:19,250 --> 01:31:15,929
know why hasn't it evaporated and blown

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01:31:22,790 --> 01:31:19,260
off into space or turned into to steam

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01:31:26,810 --> 01:31:22,800
you know it's you know so there's a lot

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01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:26,820
that and then valiant Thor himself had

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01:31:34,209 --> 01:31:31,770
had said that that many of the Venetians

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01:31:37,490 --> 01:31:34,219
live underground in vast cities

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01:31:40,130 --> 01:31:37,500
constructed in lava tubes and as well as

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01:31:42,169 --> 01:31:40,140
facilities on the surface in the

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01:31:45,050 --> 01:31:42,179
mountains in the more temperate regions

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01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:45,060
all right well I'm gonna have to stop

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01:31:48,350 --> 01:31:46,560
you right there because we were almost

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01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:48,360
out of time and I want to give all of

1648
01:31:53,510 --> 01:31:50,880
you a chance to let our audience know

1649
01:31:54,140 --> 01:31:53,520
more about you and where they can find

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01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:54,150
your books

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01:32:01,370 --> 01:31:57,570
dr. keller please go first thank you

1652
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:01,380
thank you Tim the three books are Venus

1653
01:32:07,370 --> 01:32:05,280
rising rockets to Venus and cosmic rays

1654
01:32:09,950 --> 01:32:07,380
excellent Venus adventure they're

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01:32:14,540 --> 01:32:09,960
available through headline books calm or

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01:32:20,450 --> 01:32:14,550
also on amazon.com they've won four

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01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:20,460
awards three three in London and one in

1658
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:22,890
Los Angeles Southern California Book

1659
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:26,489
Festival and anything you've ever wanted

1660
01:32:31,850 --> 01:32:28,110
to know about Venus

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01:32:34,790 --> 01:32:31,860
I don't promote any any religion or any

1662
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:34,800
cult or anything like that don't have

1663
01:32:40,270 --> 01:32:37,730
any organization just

1664
01:32:43,210 --> 01:32:40,280
just get my books if you want to know

1665
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:43,220
about the mysteries of the cloud

1666
01:32:49,210 --> 01:32:46,010
shrouded world of Venus alright and

1667
01:32:51,010 --> 01:32:49,220
Craig what about you so strange at the

1668
01:32:55,900 --> 01:32:51,020
Pentagon is easy a stranger at the

1669
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:55,910
Pentagon dot-com and my book trilogy

1670
01:33:00,600 --> 01:32:59,120
soon to be four books is called the

1671
01:33:06,220 --> 01:33:00,610
autobiography of an extraterrestrial

1672
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:06,230
saga and it's if you were to put star

1673
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:09,530
trek out and universe and they were

1674
01:33:15,010 --> 01:33:11,930
extraterrestrials raising consciousness

1675
01:33:20,020 --> 01:33:15,020
on earth that's what the books primarily

1676
01:33:21,700 --> 01:33:20,030
or about and the first book is called I

1677
01:33:23,850 --> 01:33:21,710
am Tehran two runs the lead

1678
01:33:27,540 --> 01:33:23,860
extraterrestrials from the Pleiades

1679
01:33:33,790 --> 01:33:27,550
people can get the book trilogy at

1680
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:33,800
autobiography of on a n et calm hour

1681
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:37,610
they're on Amazon as well and book one

1682
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:39,890
will soon be an audiobook in about a

1683
01:33:45,250 --> 01:33:41,770
month on Amazon

1684
01:33:47,350 --> 01:33:45,260
alright and Julie strange thank you very

1685
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:47,360
much for being with us tonight I really

1686
01:33:52,540 --> 01:33:49,570
appreciate you taking the time for us oh

1687
01:33:54,220 --> 01:33:52,550
my pleasure thank you for inviting me I

1688
01:33:58,090 --> 01:33:54,230
enjoyed it very much

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01:34:00,520 --> 01:33:58,100
great and Craig dr. Keller thank you for

1690
01:34:03,100 --> 01:34:00,530
being with us tonight as well and to our

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01:34:06,340 --> 01:34:03,110
audience thank you for listening in and

1692
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:06,350
tune in next week for more exploring the

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01:34:16,900 --> 01:34:13,689
you've been listening to exploring the

1694
01:34:20,410 --> 01:34:16,910
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1695
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:20,420
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1696
01:34:25,270 --> 01:34:22,730
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1697
01:34:28,570 --> 01:34:25,280
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1698
01:34:31,930 --> 01:34:28,580
and totally unexplained with you as

1699
01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:31,940
their combines Thursday nights at 7:00

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01:34:38,009 --> 01:34:35,110
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01:34:40,989 --> 01:34:38,019
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1704
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